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"My bird IS the word" (mybirdistheword) 01/16/2019 at 19:08 • Filed to: None

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New Supra vs. 2019 mustang GT

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So, formatting, Kinja doesn’t allow comparison lists to be side by side (at least I couldn’t figure this out). So.. Supra will be on left, Mustang on right. Supra we will be comparing the straight six version that has been announced

Horsepower: 335 vs. 460

Seating: 2 vs. 4

Transmission: automatic only vs both

0-60: 4.1 vs. “under four seconds”

Base Price: $49,990 vs. $35,355

Now, the supra gets a bmw interior, which I believe will be super nice (the 7 series BMW was the nicest I’ve ever sat in) but you can get the GT in whatever flavor you want, and still have money to buy an old celica supra. Will the supra handle better on a track? Probably. Will I ever take it on a track? Fuck no! and I am guessing an optioned-up supra will enter GT350 territory, where questionable performance differences disappear in a puff of smoke.

W hy should I be interested again?

CB > My bird IS the word 01/16/2019 at 19:33

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Because not everything comes down to a cost-benefit analysis. Sometimes you go "I like that, I think it's worth the price, don't care about other options".

WilliamsSW > My bird IS the word 01/16/2019 at 19:38

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Ah, but the Supra has Toyota reliability.

Checkmate!

nFamousCJ - Keeper of Stringbean, Gengars and a Deezul > My bird IS the word 01/16/2019 at 19:39

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Ooh, do one for a MKiv and an SN95 next 

SPAMBot - Horse Doctor > My bird IS the word 01/16/2019 at 19:39

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I had the same comparison when the FRS/BRZ came out. I drove both twins and a ‘13 GT. I had x plan pricing at the time which made a base GT in grabber blue with the track pack just a smidge more than the FRS, after all incentives. I was within a hair of ordering a ‘14 GT when they announced the ‘15 was going to have IRS. Then after much waffling , I decided to keep saving.

If I was going to buy a new car in that price range today, I would have the GT every day of the week and twice on Tuesday. For 50k, you can get the level 2 performance pack and the extra premium interior. The regular premium interior is a legitimately nice place to be. And with the level 2 performance pack, I guarantee it would eat a supra on the track.

lone_liberal > My bird IS the word 01/16/2019 at 19:41

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Some people will just like the Supra, s ome people are Toyota fans (though this isn’t really a Toyota), some people are fans of Japanese cars (though this really isn’t Japanese ) and s ome people will simply never buy American and especially not an American performance car.

My bird IS the word > nFamousCJ - Keeper of Stringbean, Gengars and a Deezul 01/16/2019 at 19:47

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I think we are going to have a serious. price differential there. I guess toyota is targeting a different demographic. I wonder why they are calling it a supra then?

nFamousCJ - Keeper of Stringbean, Gengars and a Deezul > WilliamsSW 01/16/2019 at 19:47

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BMW reliability. 

WilliamsSW > nFamousCJ - Keeper of Stringbean, Gengars and a Deezul 01/16/2019 at 19:48

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Pretty sure that’s a Toyota bro

My bird IS the word > CB 01/16/2019 at 19:48

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See, if the supra was gorgeous, I would understand. But it ain’t. If it was called something other than a supra, would you be as interested?

My bird IS the word > nFamousCJ - Keeper of Stringbean, Gengars and a Deezul 01/16/2019 at 19:48

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OOF

My bird IS the word > lone_liberal 01/16/2019 at 19:49

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Brand loyalty is for suckers.

My bird IS the word > WilliamsSW 01/16/2019 at 19:50

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Ive had good luck with fords with everything except rust.

CB > My bird IS the word 01/16/2019 at 19:53

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Probably. I don't care about the name, I want to know what it does. Much like I love the Mustang, but I don't like the newest ones due to the way that what feels like should be an everyman car is so extremely expensive here in Canada (at least, for what I think a Mustang should cost). Knowing that there's more cool options out there is good for us.

nFamousCJ - Keeper of Stringbean, Gengars and a Deezul > WilliamsSW 01/16/2019 at 19:53

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KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time > My bird IS the word 01/16/2019 at 19:53

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Mustang all day errday because ‘Murrrican 5.0 Coyote as Jesus himself had meant it to be.

And it will sound better any day than the B58 ever could

manual option is a plus. But to get under 4 second(3.9) 0 to 60 you have to get the Auto and it’s with launch control, and you need to step up to one of the packages/options .

You have to put up with shitty interior on the lower trims

And I have read about problems with both the manuals and the 10 speed auto.

WilliamsSW > My bird IS the word 01/16/2019 at 19:54

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I agree with you on the GT - but I’d have to drive both to see if the Supra had more refinement or better balance to justify the price. But on paper it’s no contest- and we are way beyond the point where pony cars are rough and tumble rattle traps- they’re way more refined, and thank God the Mustang has IRS.

That said, there WILL be people who buy a Supra for Toyota reliability. Most of the public just doesn’t pay attention like we do.  

WilliamsSW > nFamousCJ - Keeper of Stringbean, Gengars and a Deezul 01/16/2019 at 19:55

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Jokes aside, you and I know damn well that there will be idiots who buy it because reliable Japanese car.  

CaptDale - is secretly British > My bird IS the word 01/16/2019 at 19:57

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But 2019 TVR Griffith

WilliamsSW > KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time 01/16/2019 at 20:00

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But I can put a stage 3 tune on that B58, overnight parts from Japan, error, Germany, and get 1, 000 Hp!

For at least one pull maybe 

nFamousCJ - Keeper of Stringbean, Gengars and a Deezul > My bird IS the word 01/16/2019 at 20:00

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Riding the name hype / joint venture with BMW and BMW won't offer a sub premium product or be tied to one. 

WilliamsSW > CaptDale - is secretly British 01/16/2019 at 20:01

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Oooooooh, me likey!

KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time > My bird IS the word 01/16/2019 at 20:05

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Hey! that’s my line! but seriously, it’s something I personally follow   . But I understand why some people have a 100% or 0% approach to a brand.

KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time > WilliamsSW 01/16/2019 at 20:07

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ranwhenparked > My bird IS the word 01/16/2019 at 20:08

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On the plus side, the Supra's paint will probably remain adhered to its metal for longer than 3 or 4 years. Not sure what that's worth.

Chariotoflove > My bird IS the word 01/16/2019 at 20:09

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I think the reason to buy the Supra over the Mustang is just because you like the way it looks better than the Ford. And if you’ve got the money, then that’s a good enough reason. Also, you won’t see nearly as many of them on the road, and some lots of people, that’s compelling.

gin-san - shitpost specialist > My bird IS the word 01/16/2019 at 20:17

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From a numbers standpoint, Mustang takes the win.

I figure that, for the majority of us Oppos, we understand that cars are not necessarily a rational or logical purchase since different cars draw different emotions.

I don’t think either car is pretty but I’d probably still go with the Toyota. In a period where popular cars are homogeneous in design, I like weird cars that stand out a bit: the Type-R is pretty horrendous with all those fake grilles but I love how stupid and ostentatious it is; I like the new design for the Kia Soul because, despite being labelled a crossover, I still think it’s a cubical hatchback and it’s just plain weird.

The Mustang does have it’s own look compared to other cars, but I’m guessing it’s the fact that the design of the car hasn’t really changed tremendously since this kind of bodystyle came out in 2005. Don’t get me wrong, the 5th gen and 6th gen are very different but it wasn’t quite the massive change (which I supported) when they first introduced the 5th gen with that old-school-made-modern kind of design.

That said, if I had to choose between the Supra and the Boss 302 Laguna Seca model they made a few years back, I’d go with the latter despite how I feel about the looks.

If none of this made sense at all, then it comes back to my original point about cars not necessarily being a rational or logical purchase for enthusiasts.

gmporschenut also a fan of hondas > My bird IS the word 01/16/2019 at 20:21

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I’d be happy with a camaro v6 with track pack for 35k. $ 15k can go a long way for tires and gas.     

CRider > nFamousCJ - Keeper of Stringbean, Gengars and a Deezul 01/16/2019 at 20:46

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It has the perfect combination of Japanese style and German reliability and price. 

CRider > My bird IS the word 01/16/2019 at 20:52

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To throw another wrench into the equation, you can have your  Ford dealer install this:

For under $10k installed you’ve got 700 hp and your warranty intact. So for around the cost of the I6 Supra you’re making over twice the power. 

https://www.roushperformance.com/2018-mustang-supercharger-phase-1.html/

My bird IS the word > WilliamsSW 01/16/2019 at 20:59

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then you put a procharger on the mustang and watch all the environmentalists weep

My bird IS the word > KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time 01/16/2019 at 21:00

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oh, I understand it completely. It’s my chosen career path to take advantage of said suckers

My bird IS the word > CRider 01/16/2019 at 21:14

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Why, why, why couldn’t it have been the other way around. Nobody would want an american car with an I talian motor. T hat’s how you get the chrysler TC by maserati.

My bird IS the word > CaptDale - is secretly British 01/16/2019 at 21:15

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Anything after the sagaris was going to let me down. On the plus side, a company is going to be making sagaris kits soon!

My bird IS the word > gin-san - shitpost specialist 01/16/2019 at 21:16

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that’s fine, but TBH enthusiasts make up only a very small part of the sports car market. Regular joes buy the bulk of these things.

My bird IS the word > CRider 01/16/2019 at 21:18

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god, when these things hit the used market....

My bird IS the word > Chariotoflove 01/16/2019 at 21:19

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I’m thinking more... sales, profits, longevity. I actually want toyota to do well so they start making sports cars again but I doubt it. The Japanese have really fallen off the wagon.

My bird IS the word > ranwhenparked 01/16/2019 at 21:20

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I can’t argue with that.

WilliamsSW > My bird IS the word 01/16/2019 at 21:50

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Not to mention the Cars and Coffee victims. 

Saracen > My bird IS the word 01/16/2019 at 21:51

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Bullitt Mustang in green with the fancy leather recaros, all day.

KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time > WilliamsSW 01/16/2019 at 22:09

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They are going to classify the GT500 as a WMD you just wait.

KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time > CRider 01/16/2019 at 22:12

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Lebanon Ford. 700Hp for around 40K. God Bless America.

https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/a15924615/2018-ford-mustang-gt-roush-lebanon-ford/

actually, 800HP for $ 39999 that includes the Mustang GT

https://www.lebanonford.com/lfp-800hp-mustang.htm

* tears of joy*

WilliamsSW > KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time 01/16/2019 at 22:14

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As they should 

CRider > My bird IS the word 01/16/2019 at 22:47

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I t makes me wonder what the GT500 is actually going to make, since we know an otherwise stock 5.0 can put down 700 hp reliably and still meet emissions. That 5.2 better make at least 750 hp.

wafflesnfalafel > My bird IS the word 01/16/2019 at 23:08

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yeah... no question for me at this point, ‘s tang with the PP2, in orange - thank you.

My bird IS the word > CRider 01/17/2019 at 00:23

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I wonder, with that HP number, if it will still be available in a convertible. That would be the best worst thing ever.

CaptDale - is secretly British > My bird IS the word 01/17/2019 at 11:24

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We ll we can only hope Grex turns out well.

I disagree. The Sagaris is like a Halo of a only halo manufacture . 

CRider > My bird IS the word 01/17/2019 at 16:12

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Maybe it will come with a roll hoop like the original, so you can use it on the track. A 700+ hp convertible track ‘ Stang with no back seats sounds like a great way to spend $80k.

gin-san - shitpost specialist > My bird IS the word 01/17/2019 at 18:07

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I don’t doubt that - the Mustang is going to be viewed differently by most people than someone like me.

Still, I don’t think it’s impossible for even the regular joe to be affected by some of what I said, especially the emotional/irrational part.

My bird IS the word > CRider 01/17/2019 at 20:14

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It'll need something to tie the chassis together. I hadn't considered rollover protection but that's a good point.

CRider > My bird IS the word 01/17/2019 at 20:25

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Fixed roll hoop under a removable hard top. Do it, Ford.

My bird IS the word > CRider 01/17/2019 at 22:27

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They’ve done it before. recently, in fact:

CRider > My bird IS the word 01/17/2019 at 22:48

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I don’t know how I forgot/missed that they did that. It's certainly a... distinctive look. 

My bird IS the word > CRider 01/17/2019 at 22:50

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I haven’t seen them on all the convertibles so IDK if they are standard or removable or what

CRider > My bird IS the word 01/17/2019 at 23:18

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After a few seconds of Googling it looks like they had them on the early 2 007 era GT500s.